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DR
February 1, 2016 at 3:50 am
My boyfriend of 2 years broke up with me last week. He said he was unhappy and that he loved me, but wasn’t in love with me anymore. He said he wanted to find out if he could be happier without me. The next day he texted me asking me if I was okay, and told me he was feeling “numb.” He then asked me if I wanted to be friends and when I said I didnt know, he asked me to take as much time as I needed to think about it. I asked him why he messaged me and he said because he cared and wanted to talk to me. Then he thanked me for not cutting him off completely. I am currently up to 5 days NC. Its unbelievably hard and he hasn’t tried to message me. I just want to know if I have a chance at getting him back, and if so how do I go about it?
DR
February 2, 2016 at 12:44 am
Thank you, Amor. Just to clarify, what are the ungettable girl ways exactly? Or where can I find them? Do I still continue with 30 days of no contact?
EBR Team Member: Amor
February 3, 2016 at 12:04 pm
You’re welcome! It’s better if you finish nc. I’d love to explain the ungettable girl but this post will help you better. The Ungettable Girl
EBR Team Member: Amor
February 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Hi Dr,
I think you do. Falling in love is different with staying in love. Make yourself more attractive again. Follow the ungettable girl ways. I think that will help to bring the spark back.
Linda
January 25, 2016 at 8:56 pm
I was seeing someone since February but it never got serious he never asked me out we just slept together through the year. We got into an argument and I told him how he dragged me into a game and that he never treated me right because he never asked me to be his girlfriend and thought that we were done because we both said really mean things to each other. Well then I get a text that he wanted to see me and I refused but then changed my mind, he didn’t answer me, so I started the no contact rule and haven’t contacted him Since 1/17/16 and I am now seeing someone else. I still have feelings for him but will posting a picture of my new friend and me help me or will he think that it’s finally over between us?
Linda
February 1, 2016 at 9:18 pm
I give up. He was never serious about me. He’s hitting on anyone and when I mean on anyone I mean it, anyone but me. He is asking girls our left and right and they turn him down but it bothers me that he does and quite simply I don’t think I want him back if he’s trying so hard to get with anyone and he keeps on commenting on their pictures how much he loves them and they just say thank you and then for him to come back to me just because he couldn’t get any of them. I just have to accept the fact that he doesn’t want me for a serious relationship only to sleep with once in a while because even for that I was the one initiating it. It hurts because I love him but I really need to forget about him.
Linda
January 27, 2016 at 4:03 pm
It’s my friend and I side by side, not kissing. I can send it to you. My new friend has a big smile on his face. I just want him to ask me to be his girlfriend, we went to elementary school together and we have great chemistry.
EBR Team Member: Amor
January 26, 2016 at 11:35 am
Hi Linda,
it depends on the pic. If you’re just posting a pic of the two of you side by side, no intimate gestures, it might get him thinking but if you post a pic of the two of you kissing, it can push him away
brit
January 5, 2016 at 2:44 am
Hi there i have a a few things i need help with been dating this guy i love n he says im his everything n he loves me we been dating since 2012 have a 2 year old son he was running his own busniss and reno a house which made alot of stress he has broke up with me 10 times never last more then a couple weeks sometimes even days bc we would disagree or he would take on more stuff rather than realzizing what a family needs not just his own. Always claims hes done thennalways comes back. The past time this summer i startrd hanging with griends other guys soon as he got wind he it was blow up my phone going to go to a counslor bevause he is un stable with always letting the stress get the best of him. And seen ancounslor was everything i wanted him to be than bam 4 months later same the thing back to his old selfish ways breaking up with me. He acts jeloues i got my own place again. With our son. He came over just slept with me and txt me when he left saying. Lol I’m not flustered :p I know I got a long road ahead of me I hope to get clean and figure my shit out have a nice night. I asked him how its been the last week apart he said to early to tell. So how do i follow no contact rule when every day i have to see him bc he pickings up our son from daycare dont nsg him in less its about daycare or are son. All my family n friends think he will be back bc he has every other time this summer took me ring shopping wanted to be eanaged than now this again i really love him but he needs proper help not just 7 counslor sessions your not a changed man and he thought he was and he doesnt party doesnt hang with friends just works at the reno house. And one of my trucks is still at his place where we were staying. I want him back but not with out him getting help.
EBR Team Member: Amor
January 18, 2016 at 11:11 pm
Hi Brit,
That’s good that you want him to get help first. Yes, you can do no contact even if you see him n everyday because of your son. Ju at limit talking to him. only talk to him about your son
Vanessa
December 6, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Hi Chris, so I came to this site because after 6 years together my boyfriend broke up with me and I was trying to do what other sites say to move on from the relationship by trying my best not to contact him and you know give myself time to mourn the relationship. I was doing great I was working out and hanging out with my friends, I didn’t really post many photos of myself going out but I did post really good pictures of myself and when I saw he would like them I would post more photos of things we use to do together like a tv show we watched together and foods he liked me to make. So recently after almost 4 weeks of no contact, he sends me a text message saying he misses my cooking and my voice, even asked how the food came out and said my tacos were the best (the ones I posted pictures of). I don’t know what to do I would love to give him another opportunity but I’m scared he’s just going to hurt me again. The reason we broke up was because a month before we broke up I mentioned to him that I was feeling like I wasn’t his priority and that I wanted more things in life and from our relationship, I wanted it to move to the next level. I think that scared him and so he called me one day and told me he couldn’t give me what I wanted and we broke up. I didn’t fight it I just said if that’s how you feel then I guess this is good bye. We haven’t seen each other yet but I’ve asked to pick up my things I had over his apartment and I would give him his stuff. I did ask to keep some of his t-shirts and he asked to keep some sweats of mine that were too big for me so he wore them. Should I wait to see him? I’m still working out and I would love to shove that in his face how good I’m starting to look.
aisha
November 25, 2015 at 4:13 pm
Hii chris .its me aisha here as u said 30 days no.contact i cnt livewidout my bf 30 mins den 30 days hw cn i? I really love him n i tried alot bt he ismt cuming back plss help me out to get him back plsss:-(;-(
Sarah
November 20, 2015 at 9:29 pm
So I’ll just try to sum it up. I was dating a guy for 4 mounts after about 3 months in when we said we loved eachother I was freaking out was upsessing about my ex boyfriends and the more he got annoyed the more I pushed him away because of my past hurts I was scared be both agreed we need time apart to get our heads together but I was him that wanted the break up I agreed because I will not beg a man to be with me I know the more you do that the more they will run its ben about a week now and I’ve messed up and have ben texting him he aways respond however I asked him his feelings for me he says he still likes me a lot and dosent want to lose me in his life but the feelings are not as stong anymore and also sometimes I feel like he is more disrespectful to me now.. I put a post on fb about going out with my girlfriend and he is also on my cuz face book and I noticed that he liked all of her pictures they only met once am I paranoid or is he in to her or trying to make me jealous I don’t know what to think he knows I’m close to her I won’t tell him I’m jealous cuz I don’t want to fight anymore we had a friendly conversation yesterday but I’m the one how started it do I still do no contact in the situation I’m in I don’t wanna be someone who is there for convenience I want gim to see me the way he did befor strong independent I’m working on dealing with my issues from my past so I can be happy and hole again but I know he is the one I want to be with when I’m done
LilianLu
November 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Quick question- my ex volunteers at a local festival. I know he will be there. I want him to be jealous, and I want him to see I can get a fantastic guy. Would it be out of line to take a date with me to this festival? My ex knows I’d be going anyway, so it isn’t a far-fetched thing. I’ve gone the last three years.
This move feels kind of mean and bitchy. But my girlfriend says it’s a great idea. Thoughts?
Chris Seiter
November 16, 2015 at 9:01 pm
It really depends on your situation…
Kait
November 11, 2015 at 10:42 am
I know you get thousands of messages like this, but I really need some advice. I think I’ve completely blown my chances of ever getting my ex back, even if I do follow your guides/advice. Basically we’ve been on and off for over a year now and we argue a lot, he never apologises after arguments and will just ignore me for the rest of the day or even for a day+ where as I’ll apologise most of the time regardless and I hate being ignored, especially by him, and then when he does speak to me he just acts normal again or sometimes he’ll say things like ‘going to be a normal gf or still an angry troll’ I admit when we argue at times I can say some really horrible and unforgivable things, but so has he. He’s said many times over the past months that he doesn’t love me and hasnt wanted to be with me for months now. It’s mostly him who breaks up with me, I’ve only ever broken up with him I’ve but I didn’t mean it. He’s also said that he’s only taken me back because I made him or wouldn’t leave him alone. Now last week we had a huge fight on Sunday and things got so bad and again he said were over and that he doesn’t love me anymore and that once I leave his house I won’t be setting foot in there ever again. Things got broken and he got angry and pushed me but I replaced the broken things and got them sent to his house. He text me after the break up saying he got the items but he can’t accept them knowing how he feels about us and that he sees no future for us and doesn’t see us ever working. I tried to do no contact but failed on day 3 🙁 and text him back saying ‘Hey, I was just thinking about the first time we went to the cinema together to see Jurassic World, it was so good. I am glad we did that.’ But because he didn’t reply I turned into a text gnat and then said ‘could we talk please? I don’t like how things were left.’ He replied ‘I enjoyed the good times we had too but things arent the same and we argue too much, please send me your address so i can return the items as it doesnt feel right’ I responded ‘I don’t want to lose you, so will you please work with me to make our relationship work again, I know I don’t deserve it but I care for you deeply and I love you..I want you to keep the them, I’m sorry.’ And again he didn’t respond so I text him again saying ‘Please just talk with me, even if you hate me, please hear me out.’ He responded saying ‘it’s over I sorry, there’s nothing else I can say’ I continued to keep begging him to take me back and him not replying and when he I asked him if he loved me he said no sorry and he also said he won’t be contacting me anymore and i really dont want to upset you more and talking is doing that, you are more than welcome to let me send the items back, other than that good bye. I continued to bombard him with messages and calls, he replied no my minds made up..I continued to message and call him the next day too but no reply. It’s not been almost 3 days I haven’t heard from him and I’m absolutely terrified of losing him. I didn’t text him today so this is the first day I haven’t contacted him for..I want to try the no contact but I always end up caving in. Do you think the Nc rule will get him to speak to me or even give us a chance of ever getting back together? Please help.
shona..
October 18, 2015 at 9:03 pm
hei,i need serious help.. i dont know wheather am doing is right or wrong.. i seek for some advice.. this is ma story.. i am a girl and i had a guy friend and we were friends for nearly 3 years or more.. he had a crush on me and though i didn have a crush on him,and at the begining he was a normal friend of mine.. later he started proposng me often and often i thought of loving him but things suddenly changed and i dont know wheather i liked him o not and we had lost of issues as he lost intrest on me and we lost contacts.. then in the middle of this story i met a guy and fell in love and was going on peacefully when this earlier guy entered back again in ma life.. but i told him i was in a relationship n he stopped proposing me and we are friends now because he wanted to be friends.. but now that earlier guy told me that he is in a relationship and even i was ok with it because i am already in a relationship and i am totally happy and content with ma pressent guy. but now this so called friend of mine texts me in watsapp telling all sorts of thinfs he did with his girl and this makes me a bit inconvient.. i dont know wheather it is jealous,anger or any other feeling i dont understand it properly.. but to state one fact,ma lover makes me happy and i am blessed to have this guy who sacrifises so many things to me.. i love him at the first place.. now that friend of mine distracts me and i am planning to block him in watsapp to get rid of this shit and to continue ma relationship.. is this good.? and in what situation am right now? n one more thing is that ma lover doesnt like me to have contacts with other guys and even i like to respect it so shall i block him off?? will he think i am rude and what will his opinion be about me if i do such a thing.. please i need a reply..
thankyou.. hope you will help me..
rakhi
September 29, 2015 at 9:13 am
uumm… my story is a li’l complicated , my guy loves me n i know he does but he just cant get over his ex gf . infact he cheated on me 2 times with her . but he just doesnt wanna break up with me . i asked him to stay away from his ex n so he did . but i still dont trust him i just wanna do something to him so that he just loves me more than anyone.
adriana
September 27, 2015 at 1:46 am
i just want to make my ex jealous some how i need to make him realize what an asshole he really was, (probably is) i want to make him so jealous that i want him running toward my house crying..
Julie
September 13, 2015 at 11:42 pm
Hello,
My boyfriend just broke up with me a week ago and I don’t know what to do. This is my last resort, so I really need help please! So here’s the story, he and I started dating 2 years ago. At first the relationship wasn’t too great because his ex was still in the picture. He’d go back and forth between us but he finally decided that he wanted to be with me. We moved in together and everything went great for a few months. After that he started showing his bad habits and I honestly thought that it would drive me crazy! His feelings towards me were very strong and he wasn’t thinking about his ex anymore (he even admitted it himself when we broke up), but the thing is that his habits were sooo bad that I kept on telling him that I would leave him if he didn’t at least make efforts to change them (don’t get me wrong, I didn’t want to change him I wanted to help him). I told him many times that my feelings for him were changing because of all that and that I didn’t love him anymore. I could see that everytime that I said that it broke his heart a little more everytime until the point where we got into a huge fight and 2 days after, he left me. He said that he had met up with his ex and that he realized that he still had feelings for her. Now one week later, he’s dating her but he still lives with me … and will for another 9 months. I want to let him go and give him a chance to be happy because I know that I caused him so much pain, but him leaving me taught me a VERY big lesson and I would NEVER try to change him again. The thing is that I really love him and I’m soooo scared of loosing him! He told me one week before we broke up that he wanted to marry me and have kids soon. I’m so confused and I really don’t know what to do. We still live together and that makes it harder! Plus his new gf (or ex as I like to call her) has a kid and she doesn’t want him to live with them for a while so there’s no chances of us moving anytime soon. So what should I do?!?!?! Pleaseeeee someone help me!!! This is driving me insane and I can’t deal with the breakup properly because of our situation! Can someone help me please?!?! What do I do?!?!?
Michelle
August 31, 2015 at 5:42 am
Dear Chris–I’m in a bad way and afraid I may do something completely irrational….I hope you will read this and answer because I’m damn near over the edge here!! I’m feeling emotions I can’t begin to process. Long story short, my ex and I tecnically broke up 2 years ago after 7 years together, but after a month of NC, decided to see each other again but also date other people. I guess you would call it FWB because he “didn’t want to be tied down”. By the beginning of this year, we were getting closer to each other, and he was talking about having me move in with him. But in June, he started to seriously date another woman, and I broke it off with him because of it. After 3 wks of NC, he came crawling back, begging for another chance. At that time, he was working his butt off to convince me he was serious, and I decided to give him another chance. Things were great until 2 wks ago when I found out he took ths above-mentioned woman on a weekend trip. I broke it off with him 4 days ago, telling him I couldn’t do this on and off, hot and cold anymore. He told me he wasn’t serious about her, that she’s an alcoholic that can’t even satisfy him in bed, and that she means nothing to him, but that he realized he just wasn’t ready to commit to one woman. Said he feels so deeply for me it scares him. Said he wants a future with us but isn’t ready to commit. He added me back to Facebook then, to “show me he had nothing to hide”. I told him as of now it’s over, but that if he ever decided he was ready to quit playing around and give our relationship a real chance, he could come find me. As he left, I said “Goodbye Matt” and he said “Not Goodbye, just Goodbye for now”. So today I log onto Facebook, and the first 2 photos I see are of him and the “alcoholic” girl, kissing, and making out, tagging each other as “my love” and he changed his status to “in a relationship”!!! Now, this is the same guy who NEVER posts pics on Facebook, because he says he doesn’t like people knowing his business. Same guy that NEVER changed his relationship status for me. Same guy who does not like his family members to see him being physically affectionate with a woman (his whole family is on his Facebook). And same guy who just 4 days prior was MAKING LOVE to me (yes I went there) and telling me this chick meant nothing to him. I am beside myself Chris! I want so bad to comment on those posts….to make HER aware he was just with me and all the stuff he said….but also to CALL HIM OUT on his BS!!! Please tell me Chris, WHY would he be so cruel to me, and what do I do now, because I don’t want to do something I will later regret! Please help, my head is spinning right now!! Thank you, God Bless you!
AnonymousHelp
September 5, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Hey,
As a girl who has been in an on/off relationship for 7+ years, I can tell you he is trying too hard to make you jealous.
Its clearly working on you and making you want him more now. He also wants to get his way in the relationship with you.
I say NC 30+ days. Go to his fb profile and click “unfollow” without unfriending him so you dont see his posts. Live your life. Go on dates. Get some attention from other people. Stay busy.
I hope this helps till Chris gets back to you.
Lauren
August 23, 2015 at 8:16 pm
Hi,
I not sure quite what to do. My husband of 13 years just left me with our 2 very young children. (Ages: 23 months and 6 months) The no contact rule I just can’t do because he sees our kids everyday or every other day. And we are in constant contact either phone calls or texts. Do you have any suggestions?
Thank you
Chris Seiter
August 24, 2015 at 4:13 pm
I know this must be very heartbreaking and scary for you. I will try to help you to the best of my ability but I will need some more information.
Do you know why he left? Mid-life crisis? Another woman? Bored? etc?
Did he ask for a divorce/separation? Where is he currently staying? (In the house with you? With his parents? Own apt?)
anamika
August 21, 2015 at 2:12 pm
I want my b.f back.i dnt know wht he wants from me he ignored me and stopped message me.I dnt know wht he wants from me. But i want he is come back in my lyf please please please.
Alex
August 14, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Hi chris! So I need advice but about a guy I never actually dated… idk if you can help? But we were talking for a few months and I’m very standoff-ish and I think he started to lose interest. Problem is I like him a lot and I think he might possibly be talking to someone else now… idk if you can help but I really want to get his attention again.
lost in love
September 8, 2015 at 9:07 pm
well i have an ex that goes to my school he trys to get me jealous by talking to one of my friends that i think likes him but he still stares at me.
Chris Seiter
August 25, 2015 at 3:54 pm
What makes you standoffish? Do you flirt with him at all?
Rose
July 31, 2015 at 7:13 am
Hi Chris! I’m so glad that I found your website. Anyways I’ve started the NC rule on my ex 3 days ago and so far I’m doing good. I was the one who broke up with him after a huge fight where he hinted that I can’t make it up to him because I won’t change my behavior. When we fight I’m a verbal sniper and admittedly I guess he got tired of it. I still love him, but I did tell him that since I needed to modify this behavior that time and space is what he needs from me and that action speaks louder than words. I did tell him that I needed to work on being the best version of myself if I’d have anything to offer at all and that its time for us to move on. Now, I work with this guy but he works at a different building but since I broke up with him, I’ve noticed that he’s been on our side of the building a lot. Always hangs out where the rest of the other supervisors are, and a few times tried to get my attention. First day of NC and as I was walking past his office he calls me and asks if something happened to me coz he noticed I was walking with a limp, so me being taken aback just ended up with this dumb look on my face thinking: the f*ck!? So I end up saying it’s my normal swag. And then he lets it go. 2nd day I find him slumming in my supervisors office where I always go to just pretty much hang out. Awkward. Today I had just finished my 1.5mile run and was walking around in gym shorts at work talking with a male co-worker and I see him with this murderous look on his face. What gives? None of us has contacted each other yet via text but I’m hell bent on making it to 30days just to let you know. 🙂
Shanti
July 26, 2015 at 7:36 pm
i am not sure if i m going to get a reply here but could really use some thoughts. After my bf brokeup with me he started NC, after a while used mutual frds to stalk and all and i knew exactly what he was doing all along. i wasnt playing along though, i dnt believe in any of these. i just know that we will be together both of us want it but i recently got really pissed of with a mutual frd trying to defend herself & convince me that she isnt involved (i am 200% sure she is), i sent an angry text to him asking him to stay away and stick to his decision of breakingup with me. Now i know tht he is just waiting for me to contact him and i dont want to. i need him to see what he has done wrong and apologise but this guy is so stubborn tht he wont. now what shd i do? just wait around??
Wisdom
July 9, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Here is the TRUTH: If you have to make your ex boyfriend jealous, then it’s not worth it. Do you really want to have to do all that work to stir up feelings in someone? Are those feelings that you stir up even genuine? Men are competitive by nature, we know this. Just because the jealousy tactic operates on this truth does not mean it will work in your favor. Isn’t it better to focus on how wonderful you are and how someone better will come along and appreciate you for exactly who you are? All of this effort to make someone jealous is wasted effort because it showcases pettiness and is contrived to bring up a very negative emotion in someone. Of course we want things to work out like it does in the movies – with your ex boyfriend running after you thinking that you have other options…but do the movies ever show you the ever after? Is it happy? What if after he has you back, he mistreats you again? Takes you for granted? Focus on strengthening yourself and being confident. Love yourself and you will soon realize that there is no need to make any guy jealous to get him back.
Maria
June 14, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Hi, I wrote my experience on this site about a year and a half ago. During that time me and my boyfriend broke up. We broke up because I was too much needy and I wasn’t giving him enough space. I used to complain whenever he had to go out with friends, I did not trust him enough. He broke up with me and I was so desperate that I went through every site on internet till I got on this site and read almost all the articles on how to get your ex boyfriend back. I also spoke with Chris and he suggested the no contact rule. I tried it a couple of times and all the time I used to break the rule and text him again. I even went to his mom once and tried to push her into talking to him and he texted me saying that I was crazy and that I needed to get a life and so on… I was feeling desperate and I was not getting out, crying all the time and feeling that my world stopped because I no longer have him in my life. Till one day I decided that I need to stop needing him and stop trying to contact him. I started to take seriously the no contact rule and during that no contact I went out shopping, I called my friends more frequently, I tried to go for a walk everyday. I was trying my best to keep my mind busy all the time and not thinking about him and crying. I started to go out in night clubs etc.. I met a guy and he was really sweet and cute but my mind still kept thinking about my ex boyfriend. In the meantime I was feeling a little bit better knowing that by time I stopped needing to text him all the time. It was my 4th week of no contact rule (at the beginning of our break up I still contacted him for 2 months) when I was meant to go out for some drinks with my friends and with that guy that I had met about 2 weeks before. As I stepped in the night club I went near this guy we where just chatting and having a drink and one of my friends whispered in my ears “your ex is here’ I was confused of how to act and if I had to talk with him or not. I tried my best not to look at him and my friends told me that he was constantly looking at me chatting with that new guy. I did not want to hurt his feelings because I still wanted my ex back so I kept some distance between me and the new guy. My ex boyfriend came next to me and asked how I was doing and I kept it short and said “great how are you?” he said he was ok and I left. The next day I thought that it was about time to stop the no contact rule (4 weeks had passed since the last contact) so I sent him a message telling him yesterday was nice seeing you and as soon as I texted him he started texting a msg after another telling me nice things.. He did not give me time to reply back because he kept sending and sending. It was like he had been waiting for me to text him for a long time and that was it. He asked for a date, at first I refused trying to make him feel that I lost my love for him (which was not) so he insisted and we went out for a date. A date after another and we got together again and since then we are really happy together and it seems like we are better than before. Since then we never broke up anymore, I learnt that I need to give him space and that really I don’t need him, I want him which makes a huge difference. He seems more caring and he seems more in love with me now than before the break up. Now we are planning to buy our home together and hopefully will be living together by the end of March of next year. I wanted to share this with you because I think the no contact rule really works and sometimes also making him feel a little jealous keeping in mind not to hurt his feelings. Thanks Chris for your suggestions and thank you for these articles which helped me and my boyfriend get back together and learn from our own mistakes. I hope this will help somebody else too.
Sarah
August 28, 2015 at 11:57 pm
This was exactly what I needed. Me and my bf just broke up and he said some pretty harsh things and so did I buy I feel the no-contact rule will help. The reason why I always break it is because I fear he is going to go sleep with someone else but I need to realize I have no control over what he does and this is my best option. I must make him think (and also make myself think) that I do not need him